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From Bryan: The Never-Ending Conclusion

Well, the two months have come and gone, and I’ve learned quite a bit. At the same time, I’m even more confused and perplexed.

After my experience, I can wholeheartedly say that RBTI can be extremely beneficial. The most benefit seems to be available to those with high conductivity and/or low Brix. While I wasn’t able to get a full handle on my situation and diabetes with RBTI, I certainly feel that I learned a lot about my body.

Distilled Water

I learned that over-drinking the distilled water made me feel quite a bit off and a bit dizzy, most likely because of the decrease in salts.

Urine pH

I learned that urine pH can be relatively easily manipulated. The benefit for me is the extra energy and clarity I get when my urine pH level is between 6.4 and 6.8, versus the 5.2 I started at. My thinking has improved greatly just because of pH modulation, and I can say this will be a tool I will use whether I continue RBTI or not. To top it off, it ensures that I am better assimilating my food, and that is awesome in itself.

Saliva pH

Saliva pH is a completely different story. Mine basically never budged from 6.8. I have heard this implies a potential for parasites or candida, and usually the treatment is KMin. However, Jacqueline never brought up the use of KMin, so perhaps there are specific numbers that would negate its use (perhaps my high Brix nullifies its use).

Brix

Brix still maintains its position as the most difficult (read: frustrating) for me to manipulate. I can usually bring it down to ~6.5 if I drink distilled water all day, but that would tank my conductivity, and the end product is a spacy Bryan who doesn’t get much done. If I only drink enough to maintain, say, a Brix of 8, then I feel much better, but that would mean I am not really progressing in the right direction. There is significant nuance to making RBTI work and balance all of the numbers.

Conductivity

Conductivity tells me a lot, and definitely matches with how “on” I feel, but I have a horrible time modulating it. Not even the dreaded sea salt could make this rise, which I found quite surprising. My guess is this directly related to the diabetes, but I’m not 100% sure about that.

Green Drink

The Green Drink and I had a nice honeymoon phase, but after the sugar went away, so did my desire to continue drinking it. I powered through it, but I have to say drinking straight kale/spinach juice was probably one of the toughest parts of this program.

What Now?

Coming to the end of this RBTI experience has set me at a crossroad. Do I continue on with my current program hoping that time will heal me? Do I work with Thomas Giannou? Do I work with Dr. Jim? Do I go low-carb paleo, and hope my blood sugar readings drop? Do I follow Bernstein, like Matt Stone recommended? Or do I do some kind of mix of everything? Do I try the lemon water fast? Do I breakdown and go to a regular doctor? Do I test my blood glucose reactions to different food and manipulate from there? There are so many different options all with great pros and great cons.

Thomas Giannou

If you asked me last weekend, I’d say I had it all figured out. I had received a wonderful opportunity to work with Thomas Giannou, and that was going to be my next path, but let me say this: Thomas’s program is starkly different from Jacqueline’s.

First was the lemon water on the half hour, then there was water on the hour, then there were more supplements (more than double what I had been taking), then there was more green drink, then each meal I eat had to be composed of foods from certain calcium groups. I was being consumed by the program. I started getting up 30-45 minutes earlier so I could prep everything in the morning before work. By Wednesday, I was beginning to really understand Jacqueline’s position on making things realistic and keeping the overall number of supplements down. Don’t get me wrong. I am more than willing to follow what I need to follow to get better, but this was a level of dedication I had never followed before. It just felt like too much. I was getting tons of comments — and I actually agreed — that it seemed excessive. So now I’m back to the drafting table and don’t know what to do.

My Dilemma

Eating low-carb for so long has taken its toll on me. I feel slow and foggy, everything feels more difficult. I am seeing a bit of positivity in my blood sugar numbers, which are down slightly, but my Brix is hanging right in there like before. Sometimes I get so frustrated because this is tough. I wish someone could tell me exactly what to do, but it seems like my condition breaks all the rules. My body doesn’t seem to react like everyone else’s, and that drives me nuts. To top that off, I’m starting a new job today (2nd promo this year), and that is throwing a huge monkey wrench in things for me.

What Next?

I really don’t know what to do from here. RBTI is still intriguing, but I can’t do everything Thomas requires, at least not right now. Dr Jim’s program is a bit easier, but the whole low-carb program is really draining me and my mental capacities/clarity. I’m so confused.

Any Ideas?

I would love to hear your thoughts on where I should head from here.

18 Responses to From Bryan: The Never-Ending Conclusion
  1. Tricia
    March 6, 2012 | 12:11 am

    If you are going to look at other modalities than RBTI, I would strongly recommend Dr. John Douillard. He has a center, Life Spa in Boulder, but does phone consults. I worked with him several years ago, and found him to be very helpful. His website lifespa.com has a number of videos that you can watch to get a feeling of his style and approach. He studied ayurvedic medicine in India, and was the first medical director when Deepak Chopra opened a center near Boston (?). He has a great way of making things simple and do-able.

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  2. William
    March 6, 2012 | 1:47 pm

    @Bryan,
    First to quote you: “I wish someone could tell me exactly what to do, but it seems like my condition breaks all the rules”.
    In regards to RBTI the word ‘rules’ has a negative sound to it with me. That is just me, I know. Rules are a thing that usually happen, unless a higher power decides otherwise. Someone way back decided to add a meaning in RBTI to the word ‘rules’. That meaning is that it is best practice to do a certain thing if a person has a certain condition. Best practices depend on the knowledge, experience and understanding of the one who is seeing the practices as best. The one who came up with the word ‘rules’ for these things understood that as his knowledge grew, he saw more and more reasons to break them.
    Bryan, your body follows the rules. But if you want to understand why it does something like that, you need to understand more than I do, a lot more.

    A quick summary.
    The liver produces loads of stuff with wonderful names. One of them is glycogen and is needed in the pancreas to produce some other stuff:
    - alcohol (body heat)
    - insulin (blood sugar control)
    - thyroxine (for the thyroid)
    The thyroid binds the thyroxine to potassium to make the hormones/enzymes which help control the weight balance.
    We know you have kind of a problem with weight, so the thyroid is not producing enough. That is likely because the problem is in the pancreas or further up.
    The pancreas is likely not producing enough thyroxine, and certainly not enough insulin. Maybe not enough alcohol, but on the other hand, it may compensate by producing extra. But we do know your pancreas is under stress.
    Your urea’s have always been relative low for your Brix. Urea’s are about the proteins. Proteins are not energy like sugars are. But they are all about making the energy available, or storing it. Why are they not following your Brix? That brings us back to the first set of numbers: your liver can not support your pancreas and your pancreas can not support your thyroid. Why was your UpH that low? Liver problems Bryan. But your SpH is not that much out. So what we see is that your gastric juices are very weak, causing problems with digestion (remember that digestion starts with absorbing the foods through the colon, but does not end there).

    As for what to do: The further from health you are, the more rules you need to follow, meaning the more strict you need to do RBTI. One of the nice things about you is your honesty about all this. Doing everything right is next to impossible while having a family and a day job. To me it seems like everything you mentioned from Thomas is spot on. Me and Jacqueline discussed about the K-Min, but decided that possibility should not be prioritized.

    So Jacqueline’s and my best practices may be different than Thomas’. I see no shame in that. Thomas is one who is often downsized a bit, but is actually one of the few who has an understanding that is above and beyond the average consultant. Bryan: tell him how you feel. Maybe set a time frame and discuss that with him: if your Brix does not get below .. (6?) while your conductivity is above 7 within a certain timespan, that you may feel like it is too much. Not to push him, but that will also make it easier for yourself. Try it, give it a fair shot.

    Now, about what to do: I will keep my advice simple and try not to go against Thomas.
    First thing you need to keep under control is your UpH. Whatever, whoever you follow, watch your UpH.
    Second thing is a bit of a hassle for you, I know. But please get comfrey. Plant it in your entire garden or something and juice lots of it, and I mean lots!

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  3. Tula
    March 6, 2012 | 10:46 pm

    Bryan,
    William sounds like a very wise man. He makes a lot of sense.

    At the 2nd month I too had doubts and frustrations. At month 3, yep doubts and frustrations. I have just completed 8 months. Everytime I think I have an understanding of what to do, something changes and I’m still looking for answers. Have I made enough progress to warrant sticking with this? Yes, most definitely, but the changes didn’t happen at the 2 month mark.

    If I was you I would do a supervised fast. Then I would do a liver cleanse. I would do what William suggests and I would also do the comfrey. I would use Digestine and VegeZyme at every meal. How about adding potassium chloride to your 1/2 hour water? (it helps with mental confusion and clarity) Maybe it’s not the low carb.

    I know you will make the right decision for you and your family. Best of luck.

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  4. Davide
    March 7, 2012 | 8:30 am

    I know you will get even more frustrated with all of the options but here is another, bear in mind I am no expert.

    I am going to assume that you grew up/ spent most of your life consuming a Standard American diet with lots of meat and dairy?

    Maybe you need to flip 180, do something you maybe never have done before…please correct me if wrong, I have no idea about your diet history.

    Maybe try a low fat, high carb, plant based diet like this:
    http://www.nealbarnard.org/dia…..s_book.htm

    It is not much fun but is clinically proven to help.

    In terms of RBTI….perhaps having a high brix would mean the bodily system is low in glucose because it is being dumped in the urine? maybe low conductivity means the body is retaining salt and not disposing of it in the urine? What I am saying is maybe the numbers are showing not an excess or lack but perhaps dumping and retaining…?

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  5. William
    March 7, 2012 | 2:03 pm

    @Davide,
    As you may know, there is also a lot of research and clinical proof for just the opposite of what you suggest: taking more (healthy) fats and trying to limit the carb intake. A quick link: http://www.dietdoctor.com/lchf
    Since the 60′s the average American is eating less fat and more carbs. Since the 60′s the obesity problem and diabetics number have almost exploded. I know there are many factors that can contribute, and we should never focus on just one thing.
    Still, what works for one does not work for everyone, and vice versa. One man’s medicine is another man’s poison. Maybe I am prejudged because I tried low fat high carb and it did not do good, while the other way around definitely did good for me, because it limits the wobble in the blood sugars. Bryan does not seem to have a huge wobble. To me his pancreas seems to be under too much stress to be able to create the wobble.
    Your view on retaining salt is a bit different from mine, but different is not better or worse. If you are right, it would mean that the dieting in the past have had a role in it. But how much salt can the body retain? For how long? Still: please don’t consider my questions as if I believe you are wrong or anything.
    Bryan’s case is just different. But that not in the ‘refreshing’ sense, but more in the ‘utterly complex’ cases. If I would make a top 3 of best RBTI practitioners, Thomas would be in it (I would definitely not be). That is why I was glad that Bryan had a shot with Thomas.
    And yes, I know that many disagree with my top 3, and consider Thomas to be a weirdo. I don’t care, sorry.

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  6. katheraw
    March 7, 2012 | 3:11 pm

    hi bryan, i think the most important thing is to stick with the supplements. you have seriously drained yourself with all the stimulant drinks you had. your liver needs a lot longer than two months to rebuild, or maybe build up to good function for the first time. tula took several months to feel an improvement. your liver needs all that nutrition to accumulate. i have dr beddoe’s big book and it helped me understand all this better. i am doing the same thing. if other things start to drive you nuts, don’t stop the supplements.

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  7. Laban
    March 8, 2012 | 12:34 am

    Bryan,

    Thanks for sharing all this info!!

    I am sorry to hear that your blood sugar situation was not handled by RBTI so far.

    I am interested in RBTI myself (to handle my own blood sugar issues), but if RBTI really can handle diabetes efficiently, I would expect to be able to find real testimonies of some (ex-)diabetics, but I have not (so far).

    Have you come across any successfully treated diabetics in your journey so far?

    Has anyone else who happens to read this?

    Thanks again for sharing!

    Ps. Don’t go the high-carb route that someone suggested!

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  8. Tula
    March 8, 2012 | 6:25 pm

    Hi Laban,
    In response to your question about diabetics successfully treated, yes I have seen it first hand. I spent 3 weeks in June at the Home for Health in Kentucky, doing RBTI under the tutelage of Steve Day. One of the quests, we’ll call him Will, came with sugars at 9. I can’t remember his other numbers, but I know his salts were NOT low, like Bryans. Will came to the “HOME” because his doctor wanted to put him on insulin. Will had been doing a vegetarian diet before he came.

    What I am going to tell you worked for Will, but as we know with RBTI, everyone is different.

    Will did a 4 day lemon water fast, no sweetener, supplements specific to him, and two treatments a day. The treatments varied with “coffee breaks” (everyday), sauna, walking, cold sheet wraps,and Epson salt rubdowns. Will loved the saunas and would crank the temp up to 160 or 165 degrees. (He had been raised using sweat lodges.) After the fast he followed a vegan diet, no sugar of any kind. He also did a four day liver cleanse.

    He would take a brisk walk before breakfast, and another walk following each meal. He was not to eat fruit after 2pm.

    Will was an eager eater and it was not uncommon for him to eat 3 platefuls of food. He was also found in the kitchen between meals snacking. He was told to cut out the snacking when his sugars were hanging around 3. I believe his sugars were 1.6 when he left the “HOME”.

    I spoke with Will in late December, after Christmas. He said his sugars have remained at 1.6, he has continued with the vegan diet and walking and he feels GREAT. He is in his fifties. Oh, he emphasized still, no SUGAR ever. He does the lemon water on the hour and the distilled on the half hour. YEH Will!

    Will was the only diabetic guest, almost everyone else was hypoglycemic.

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  9. Laban
    March 8, 2012 | 9:45 pm

    Thanks Tula.

    Do you know if Will can now eat high-carb foods without his glucose levels becoming elevated?

    In other words, is his metabolic system now at a point where he can eat a big portion of fast-acting carbs such as bread, corn, rice, pancakes with syrup, etc. without his blood sugar going above “normal” (<140 mg/dl 1h after meal)? Or does he have to eat a low-carb diet & exercise to keep his blood sugar in range?

    I would be very interested in getting in touch with Will to find out more about his experience. Would it be possible for you or him to contact me on LabanBoo at-sign gmail.com?

    Thanks again!

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  10. mrmoose63
    March 11, 2012 | 4:43 am

    Wow, tons of great commentary on here!

    Tricia, thanks for the info Dr. John, I will definitely keep it in mind. At this point though I am on information/option overload, so I am going to wait a bit before I introduce more ideas into the mix. I still need to process everything I have been mulling over in my head.

    William, great response as always. I will absolutely continue on the Uph supplementation. For me it is the most practical thing that I learned and seem to understand during this who experience and it definitely makes a huge difference in how I feel. The comfrey still freaks me out a little bit. Before I start with it I will need to feel comfortable and all of the FDA warnings are just throwing me off. The only tincture I was able to find locally had huge warnings to only be used topically… This has been something I’ve really been going back and forth on for a long time.

    Tula, I know that at least a part of the low carb diet does mess with my mental capacities because I have experienced it in the past irrespective of RBTI. I will give the potassium citrate a try though and see if improves anything.

    Davide, I actually have tried something similar to that in the past. I felt quite weak and easily fatigued on it, not to mention hungry all the time. I certainly ate fewer calories, but it was certainly rough to stick to. I feel that my current diet which is more or less meat, eggs and vegetables with olive/coconut oil is a good compromise. It helps on keeping the blood glucose relatively stable and I don’t go to bed hungry every night. I will read up more on Barnard’s point of view and see if I can pick up any good tidbits.

    Katheraw, I too have Beddoe’s Book and have read through it a handful of times. Unfortunately for me, I don’t feel like my situation is really mentioned in there, beyond the lemon water fast. I haven’t found a scenario that really matches my strangeness. I do agree my recovery will certainly take time. I just hope to see little bits of positive movement in my numbers for positive feedback.

    Laban, From what I’ve seen, people with a high brix and high conductivity (a more typical type II diabetic), have great success on RBTI, with a water wash generally being very beneficial in getting them back into a better healing range. In general though find RBTI testimonials seems to be pretty tough outside of the Facebook Groups and Yahoo Groups. In those cases though they aren’t really testimonials persay but more of a status update kind of thing.

    Tula, that’s a very inspiring story and really reinforces my current thoughts on a lemon water fast. At the same time I know potentially going 6 days without food may be a bit more psychologically taxing that I currently am ready for. I have started a bit of lemon water, albeit not systematically to kind of gauge my bodies response. So far I find it quite impactful. I seem to get a pretty good energy boost from it and it certainly tastes better than straight kale juice (blech!).

    Right now I am feeling a bit of paralysis by analysis. I am at the point where I need to really define my new course and just try it out.

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  11. Chris
    March 12, 2012 | 12:54 pm

    Bryan,

    I am familiar with your position of frustration / confusion / uncertainty.

    I don’t know what you should do. Heck, I don’t even know what I should do.

    But you might want to consider taking a vacation from being health-conscious. Take a few days to just eat whatever you want and do whatever you want.

    But only if that sort of thing would be enjoyable and relaxing for you, and not if you think it would do serious damage or cause a major set-back in your health progress.

    Consider a few days on Fukitol.

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  12. Jib
    March 15, 2012 | 3:53 pm

    Here is some information on comfrey’s alleged toxicity. This is pretty reassuring in regards to the safety of comfrey in recommended/reasonable amounts:

    http://www.comfreycentral.com/research/case_reports.htm

    You can read through the rest of the site if you’re curious. I’m sure there’s lots of extra information there.

    Getting the fresh leaf might be difficult. And your hesitation is completely reasonable: if I had high sugars, I’d be skeptical about juicing fresh comfrey leaf too.

    Starwest Botanicals and some other vendors, I’m sure, sell dried comfrey leaves that you can use to make tea. I would be more hesitant about drinking fresh comfrey juice than comfrey tea, but in either case, keep an eye on the Brix and see what it’s doing. Carey Reams apparently used comfrey quite a bit for high sugar cases — and ONLY for high sugar cases.

    There’re so many opinions you don’t know who to believe. The warnings on comfrey are probably based on the fact that it might be dangerous in significant amounts, and with any kind of herbal remedy I wouldn’t go hog-wild with it anyway.

    I am pretty skeptical that drinking 1-2 cups of comfrey leaf tea a day would be harmful. And if you kept an eye on your Brix you’d also be able to see when you needed to stop taking it or back off from it.

    I encourage other people here, especially people more knowledgeable about RBTI, to contribute some more comments about comfrey’s potential use in Bryan’s case here.

    Lately the lesson I’ve been learning is to take the supplementing more seriously. I recently got some Ferro-tonic and B-12 and have been taking those (as recommended in Beddoe’s book) for my anemia situation, shown by the saliva pH being 6.4 or below when all the other numbers are out (the highest my saliva pH ever is, is 6.2, and it seems like it just won’t go any higher).

    Maybe my case is a case of not taking the power of the supplements as seriously as it deserves to be taken. Maybe for you, Bryan, comfrey could really help. Reams recommended comfrey for high sugar and that’s pretty evident in Beddoe’s book as well as the Owens manuscript.

    I just think you deserve to have any confusion cleared up, and any fears allayed that anyone here can allay. With all the problems you hear about taking too much iron, I’m not too hot about taking 3-5 drops of Ferro-tonic with every meal and waiting to see if the saliva pH comes up over time.

    But any commitment to any health program does require a leap of faith. RBTI is a huge leap of faith but it’s the best one I know of out there, because it does have something to offer for every situation. Even with your numbers, which are very unusual, comfrey comes to mind as an herbal recommendation — and most of all, one that you haven’t tried yet.

    P.S. Having been on various psychiatric drugs over the years (antidepressants, anxiolytics, antipsychotics, beta blockers) that I believe seriously affected my health, regardless of the concerns with comfrey, it just seems absurd to me to put so much emphasis on how ‘dangerous’ it is, especially in reasonable amounts, while saying nothing of how potentially harmful pharmaceutical drugs are.

    I don’t want to underestimate the potential problems with comfrey, but especially since people’ve been drinking it for generations and it’s only recently that it’s come under suspicion…the burden of proof is on the people claiming it’s dangerous more than the other way around.

    There’re glycoalkaloids in potatoes, phytic acid in grains, lectins in legumes, and so on and so forth.

    http://www.healthknot.com/natural_food_toxins.html

    Sometimes I wonder if things are just overblown. The message is that you should be careful and keep moderation in mind.

    Does anyone have any recommendations for comfrey tea? 1-2 cups a day or something along those lines?

    Bryan: judging by the cases I linked you to in the beginning of this comment, I really doubt that doing an experimental trial with comfrey leaf tea would be dangerous. And if it brings the sugar down as much as everyone says it does, I doubt it would take long to see results from it.

    It’s your call, as it’s everyone’s call with their own health. Personally, I would give the comfrey leaf tea a try, and I don’t want my tendency to be overly cautious about EVERYTHING to contribue to any anxiety or hesitation you might have about trying comfrey.

    It really seems like it could help a lot. I’m only saying this because if comfrey does what Reams said it did, it should really be able to help your case. Now Reams isn’t around anymore, and it’s anyone’s guess what he would’ve recommended for your chemistry. Comfrey doesn’t seem unreasonable to me, though, and in your case it seems completely reasonable and most likely necessary.

    I’m sitting here with a mouthful of mercury fillings and probably tons of residues from all the drugs they had me on all those years. I’m not saying go out and chug a pint of fresh comfrey juice, but from people who don’t even know if they consider mercury harmful or not, their ability to grasp a realistic understanding of anything is pretty questionable.

    The potential benefits here (getting your Brix into healing range) seem to me to far outweigh the potential risks (which, looking at the evidence, is either not very high or just ambiguous, and more associated with long-term consumption).

    From everything I just read through, a 3 or 4 week trial of comfrey tea seems like it would be safe to me. I’d appreciate other people’s input here, too — it’s especially important to keep supporting each other and helping each other out when falling off the wagon is so easy in the world of health and nutrition.

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  13. Jib
    March 15, 2012 | 4:18 pm

    P.P.S. I’m bringing up the comfrey because of the paralysis by analysis thing too. Comfrey is much more potent, at least as far as I understand it, than green drink, although my understanding is also that it’s meant to be taken with the green drink. Maybe juice some spinach/kale/etc. and mix that into the comfrey tea, something like that.

    But it’s one supplement, and it doesn’t get much simpler than that. If the hesitation can be straightened out and we can all be reassured that it’s a safe thing to try, that seems to me like the simplest route to take – especially considering how the comfrey and/or green drink on a regular basis wouldn’t interfere with any lifestyle factors.

    Everything’s up in the air now: high carb diet, low carb diet, this that, etc. This is why the idea of trying the comfrey out is so enticing to me: it’s a simple route, and instead of getting trapped in mental paralysis, you can just try it out for a while and see if you’re getting a response or not.

    For simplicity’s sake, what are other people’s taken on products like Green Magma – dehydrated barley grass juice powder? I’ve been taking that and I love it. This rates EXTREMELY high on the ‘convenience’ scale, and that seems to be really important here.

    Most importantly: Bryan, what are you comfortable with? I know you don’t like the green drink (admittedly, without sweetener that has to be pretty potent, to put it lightly) and are hesitant about comfrey, but if these could help you get into healing range, would it be manageable for you emotionally as well as lifestyle-wise?

    I’m just trying to focus on baby steps here, and really zeroing in on the comfrey and green drink on a regular basis seems like a good baby step to me, especially considering that extremely high Brix is the main issue here, and throughout all RBTI literature I’ve read, green drink is very highly recommended for that, and especially comfrey.

    Thanks Bryan, too, for continuing to share here and to keep hanging in there. If it helps any, I’m suffering from information overload too. In trying to come up with ideas to help you out I’m also helping myself think more clearly and not get as overwhelmed, and keeping in mind “don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good.”

    And I know I talk a lot but hopefully the fact that 99% of what I’ve been talking about here has to do with comfrey you aren’t getting too overwhelmed by this. I’m trying to be respectful of your information overload here and keep things easy to process and consider.

    That translates to: I talk a lot and hopefully that won’t throw you off and confuse you even more when I just used a real lot of words to describe something relatively simple. Thanks for your patience XD

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  14. William
    March 15, 2012 | 5:24 pm

    @Jib:
    Excellent posts, although a bit long. I always try to write short posts, and always fail, so I hope you understand that I write this with a smile…
    Greendrink: please leave kale out of it. Not only does it usually make it taste really, really bad, it is just too strong (too many other products besides chlorofill). Reams said not to include it, so I tried to find out why. Please don’t be as stupid as I am.
    Dangers of comfrey: what if you have a very low Brix person and put him on a gallon of fresh comfrey juice a day? Very dangerous stuff right?
    If a person has high Brix both absolute as well as relative, start with a cup a day to see what gives. I assume it would be best to increase every 4 days or so, but keep an eye on the refractometer.

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  15. Jib
    March 16, 2012 | 11:54 am

    William,

    Thanks for the heads up about kale. I was juicing a lot of that for green drink and maybe that’s why my numbers haven’t been responding favorably.

    I’ll say again, comfrey sounds like it might be particularly helpful for people in the high sugar zone who also have a very *low* Brix to conductivity ratio.

    For example, if the Brix was 8.0, and the conductivity was 40C, drinking plain distilled water and seeing how the numbers responded would make more sense to me.

    In this case, though, getting the Brix down while not lowering the conductivity seems to be the key, considering that the ratio is so low, or even inverted (the Brix higher than the conductivity).

    I first heard about the Brix to conductivity ratio from Jacqueline, and this is just more evidence to me that it’s extremely important and can be a huge guide for working with individuals chemistry.

    I still wrote a lot but hopefully this was more concise…even a little bit!

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  16. Rhonda
    April 8, 2012 | 3:17 pm

    Last summer my sister, who is a diabetic on insulin went to Home For Health in KY under the direction of Steve Day and had great success. We stayed two weeks and her blood glucose and Brix went to normal. We usually had fruit for dinner and she was surprised it did not raise it. They put us on the 3 day lemon water fast and for those three days she thought she was dying. She was throwing up and had diarrhea the whole three days. After that we had 1 lemon with 2 T. Olive Oil increasing the lemon every day for 5 days ending with 5 lemons of juice with 2 T. Olive Oil, then the coffee enemas were added daily to flush the liver. It worked! She felt like a new person. It has inspired me to learn all I can about RBTI. I know the Almighty gave Dr. Reams his insights not only because he asked Him but because He knew we would need to be responsible for our own health.

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  17. William
    April 9, 2012 | 2:36 am

    @Rhonda,
    I did talk to Steve and he really likes working with diabetics because of the results. Thank you very much for sharing.
    @ everyone else:
    Please do know that if you work with people taking insulin, they will likely go go through quite a bad time in which they truly may feel as if they are dying. The trick is to understand why that happens, and to see if you can proceed. Some have done such things and have not had the guidance they needed and have goon to the hospital because they will feel so bad. During that time the body will dump all kinds of stuff that some MD’s confuse with other stuff. If they treat you based on that, you have a huge problem, or no problems ever again…
    Bottom line: Working with people on insulin is safe IF you have the experience AND it is done in a retreat. So please don’t try to follow the program as described by Rhonda on your own!

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  18. Tula
    April 24, 2012 | 11:14 am

    Bryan,
    A friend of mine from the “HOME” sent me this link westonaprice.org/mentalemotional-health/metals-and-the-mind
    I thought you might find the interaction between metal toxicity and low sodium levels interesting.
    Below is an excerpt:

    For instance if you have cadmium toxicity, the body very strongly retains cadmium in order to support a low sodium level because cadmium will push the sodium back up. That is part of the reason that high-cadmium substances like tobacco and marijuana can be very addictive—they raise the sodium level and make you feel more normal, as though you have good adrenal function. Your body will not release the cadmium unless it no longer needs the cadmium to support that low sodium level, which means you have got to rebuild the adrenal function until the adrenals are satisfied and say they no longer need this crutch.

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  19. Ted Walther
    June 26, 2012 | 10:39 pm

    I’ve been working with Challen, and also talking to others.

    Definitely for the green drink, cut out the kale, and all brassicas. I forget the reason, but the brassica family have a reason not to include them in green drink.

    Too bad you don’t like the taste of celery. I enjoy it. Juice up celery, cucumber, and sweet bell peppers. Every second day, do some carrots. Sweeten the green drink with apple if you want.

    Like you, I am hypoglycemic with a starting pH of 5.2.

    If you are afraid of the lemon juice, you can go with hydrochloric acid tablets; one of the consultants will know where to get them.

    Now I am consistently alkaline, my saliva has gone from a steady 6.4 to being a bit alkaline, and my sugars hover around 2.

    Are you taking vitamins E, B-6, and B-12? Challen put me on those. I’m pretty sure they won’t hurt you. Ask a consultant.

    Are you taking MinCol? I was, but now I’m on calcium gluconate and am maintaining pH fairly well as long as I follow the rules.

    What I keep seeing here is that you are afraid of this, or already tried that. I never had a problem with Challen. I liked his approach.

    Have you tried those things I mentioned?

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    • Carolyn
      November 15, 2012 | 5:31 pm

      Hi Ted, I’ve been working with Challen for probly 6 weeks and am also hypoglycemic. How long did it take you to get things normalized?

      My sugars are leapfrogging and I am putting some weight on that doesn’t feel good.

      I’m willing to keep at it if it will come around soon….

      thanks for any encouragement

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  20. Ted Walther
    June 26, 2012 | 11:28 pm

    Tula, I have a friend with high salts, and he takes a lot of marijuana. The cadmium thing explains it; his adrenals are definitely exhausted from the stress he is under. How would one go about repairing the adrenals so he can lose the need for cadmium?

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  21. William
    June 27, 2012 | 3:28 pm

    @Ted,
    Kale is part of the brassica family as you likely know. The reason we don’t put in in green drink is that it is too strong. Some of the brassica’s juices are used in alternative skincare, to remove molls etc, it is that strong. Hope that explains well enough why you do not want to use that in greendrink. Not necessarily because of damage it does, but just because it stresses the body.

    Please do note that MinCol’s function is totally different than any of the calciums, even though the bottle now says ‘calcium’. For certain reasons that is just simpler.

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  22. Ted Walther
    June 28, 2012 | 11:49 pm

    Thanks William. Where can I find more about MinCol’s function? Should I still be on it? My impression was that MinCol was a neutral calcium that wouldn’t affect my pH.

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  23. William
    June 29, 2012 | 1:30 am

    Sorry Ted,
    I was under the impression that knew about MinCol’s functions, but made the small (common?) mistake that it is also taken as a simple calcium.
    First of all about calciums with a ‘neutral’ effect on the pH. Say that Coral calcium has an effect of +100, and calcium lactate has an effect of -40, then we can say MinCol has +1, cal gluconate has -1 and the more potent cal citrate has -4 or something. Some consider anything between -5 and +5 neutral, I only consider 0 neutral. The body is constantly trying to provide balance with a result that the closer to neutral calciums are hard, sometimes very hard to see in the numbers.
    Please understand that the numbers above are not accurate, and I am just trying to make my point.

    MinCol’s function is to provide a wide range of usable (heavy) metals in the form of colloids. Many confuse that with heavy metals in a bonded version which are often highly toxic. MinCol is a purified version of Soft-Rock Phosphate. That means it is much, much saver that SRP, but not that all impurities have been taken out, so we should not take pounds at a time.
    Hopefully you can understand that MinCol is more important in the beginning and less important after a while. Many report healthier teeth, increased bone density, but those effects will only occur if the softer and more important tissues have sufficient minerals. And it I prioritize the soft tissues, just like our own body does.
    One more thing about metals: calcium is a metal, so large parts of your bones are metal. Don’t let that fool you, we need metals.

    Should you still be on it? Sorry, don’t know. How long are you taking it, how much are you taking, what are your numbers, what other supps are you taking, age-height-weight, are you working with someone? The fail-safe answer is yes. I don’t like general or fail-save answers. Go by the numbers.

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  24. Ted Walther
    June 29, 2012 | 6:08 pm

    Thank you William. Doc said I can still take it, so some is coming in the mail.

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    March 6, 2013 | 10:38 am

    Saliva pH is a completely different story. Mine basically never budged from 6.8. I have heard this implies a potential for parasites or candida, and usually the treatment is KMin. However, Jacqueline never brought up the use of KMin, so perhaps there are specific numbers that would negate its use (perhaps my high Brix nullifies its use).

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